I was concerned when the outbreak of H1N1, or swine flu occurred last April. Like many parents, I worried about my children catching the virus. In April there was no vaccine for H1N1. As I researched it, most experts recommended hand washing was the best way to protect yourself and children from the flu. I also came across statistics that said more people die of the regular flu virus yearly, than what would be expected from the H1N1 virus.
Since it was the end of flu season in April, I decided the chances of us catching it, were pretty slim. Fast forward six months later, and we are at the start of regular flu season, and now there is a vaccine for H1N1. What is a parent to do? Just some of the questions that have crossed my mind are: Do kids really need the regular flu shot, and the H1N1 vaccine too? Would a flu vaccine even help against every strain of the regular flu? Will the H1N1 vaccine cause children to develop swine flu? Will our natural immune systems develop immunity to these viruses without the vaccine?
I have followed a delayed schedule for the childhood vaccinations for both Ryan and Cole. It is my opinion that children are over vaccinated today. I have talked to the children’s doctor extensively about this, and have done my own research on the subject over the years. Often, the long range effects of vaccines are unknown.
It makes me nervous to vaccinate my children with the H1N1 vaccine because it is such a new vaccine. I watched a news story the other night, on a local news station where a doctor said there was nothing to worry about with the H1N1 vaccine, because it wasn’t much different from a regular flu vaccine. He then added that most of the scientists who developed the vaccine tried it out on themselves while developing it. While that is noble, an adults system (I’m assuming the researchers were all adults) is fully developed, while a child’s system is not. What are the long-term effects of this vaccine when given to children? No one can answer this question-yet.
Yesterday Ryan’s school sent home an information sheet on H1N1, and said they would be offering vaccine clinics. It is not mandatory, It said that the students will be vaccinated in one of two ways: “by an intramuscular injection, or in the form a “flumist,” nasal spray.” It depends on what they receive from state and federal authorities. As I read further, it said that children under the age of 10, will need to receive a second dose of the vaccine, a month after the first dose, to “assure full immunity.” I looked this up on the CDC’s website, and it is confirmed by the CDC.
Another issue that the school district raised was the vaccines contain thimerosal. It warned parents that any child who was sensitive to thimerosal, should not receive the vaccine. They described thimerosal as “a substance used as an antiseptic and germ killer. While this is partly true, they failed to mention that thimerosal is a byproduct of mercury. Mercury is a neurotoxin (when it is in the form of methyl mercury). There are no levels of mercury considered “safe” in the human body. Thimerosal is an ethyl mercury, which is chemically different from methyl mercury. However, the CDC says this about thimerosal:
Since 2001, no new vaccine licensed by FDA for use in children has contained thimerosal as a preservative, and all vaccines routinely recommended by CDC for children under six years of age have been thimerosal-free, or contain only trace amounts, except for multi-dose formulations of influenza vaccine. This was done as a precautionary step and not because there was evidence confirming that thimerosal-containing vaccines were causing health problems. The most recent and rigorous scientific research does not support the hypothesis that thimerosal-containing vaccines are harmful.
From my previous research I discovered thimerosal was approved with very little research by the FDA in the 1940’s. In recent years, thousands and thousands of parents have called into question thimerosal’s safety, with some experts and parents pointing to thimerosal laced vaccines as a cause for autism, and vaccine-injuries. While there has not been scientific proof of this yet, the theory will not go away. In March, 2008 I wrote a blog post citing the story government health officials conceded that childhood vaccines caused autism-like symptoms in a Georgia girl, and she should be rewarded from a federal vaccine-injury fund.
This raises the question, does the potential of being harmed by thimerosal outweigh the protection the H1N1 vaccine could provide? The symptoms of H1N1, cited by the CDC are:
The symptoms of 2009 H1N1 flu virus in people include fever, cough, sore throat, runny or stuffy nose, body aches, headache, chills and fatigue. Some people may have vomiting and diarrhea. People may be infected with the flu, including 2009 H1N1 and have respiratory symptoms without a fever. Severe illnesses and deaths have occurred as a result of illness associated with this virus.
Obviously, I take notice of the “severe illness and death” warning. However, the children’s doctor, who has been a doctor for over 25 years, isn’t even offering the H1N1 vaccine, because usally the symptoms are so mild. Looking into the statistics, aaccording to the CDC, between August 30, and October 10, 2009 the death toll from H1N1 in the age group of 0-4 years old was 3%, and in the 5-18 year old group it was 14%. The 50-64 age group had the highest death rate with 32%.
Additionally, the seasonal flu vaccine only protects against one strain of the flu, and there are many strains possible. Having a seasonal flu shot does not guarantee that you will not get the flu. Seasonal flu shots also contain thimerosal.
These statistics and facts bring me to the conclusion, while current research does not show a definite link between thimerisol/mercury vaccines and autism or vaccine injury, the proof that they don’t injure, is not conclusive enough for me. Having reservations anyway about the H1N1 vaccine, and then discovering that my children would need two doses of the thimerosal-containing vaccine, is the nail in the coffin. I think the potential risk of the unknown long-term effects from the H1N1 vaccine and the fact that contains thimerosal, has the potential to do more damage than catching the virus itself.
I also believe the body’s immune system is amazing, if it is given the chance. If it is over-run with many foreign substances, like vaccines, especially with children, how can it operate as it was intended?
There are other alternatives, like following a good hand washing schedule, and a proper diet, that can help build the body’s immunity and ward off illness. Dr. Nicole Sundene, a licensed Naturopathic Physician maintains the blog, Kitchen Table Medicine, which has a very informative article on swine flu, and also what you can do to help prevent it.
Every parent has to make the choice for their family, but not every vaccine that is available is right for every child, or family. I wanted to make an informed knowledge-based choice regarding these vaccines, not one based in fear or on media-hype. I chose to share what I have discovered in hopes it can help other parents who are trying to make the best decision for their families too.
12 replies on “H1N1/Swine & Seasonal Flu Vaccines”
Great post, Heather. I am going through the same thing here… so frustrating trying to get facts over the hype.
I believe Bailey had the flu this past weekend, high fever, chills, fatigue, etc. His body seemed to fight it off with little meds (I don’t like giving him anything unnecessary – even tylenol – so that his fever will do its work and fight off whatever it is.) He doesn’t seem 100% yet, but the fever subsided within 24 hours of when it peaked.
Last night on the news they said you can get different strains multiple times of the seasonal and H1N1, so it is not comforting nor informative. We have never gotten flu shots before… This was the first year I was considering them, but after calling the doctor I was told there were none available to get and was put on a list.
I think what I am most worried about is the after effects of the vaccine, the rapid pace they are trying to produce and distribute it vs. mistakes and under-testing, and worrying about the “what ifs” if/when I don’t get him vaccinated. I heard that you can ask the doctor for a non-mercury “version” of the vaccination, but haven’t done research on that.
Stay well! 🙂
My little T-Bird had a mysteriously high fever a few weeks ago…since she is so little, (18 months)I really cannot attest to what other symptoms she might have had (cranky, clingy, sleepy were the ones we were dealing with as caregivers!) But we gave her warm tea, continued to nurse, and carried her around. No meds were needed. I never even checked her actual temp. Last week Sir Hubby had a mild cough and was more tired than usual. I gave him double doses of the the healthy stuff and reminded him to cover his coughs…but it looks like no one else got what he had either. Did they have the regular flu? a cold? H1N1? Who knows. But again, we are reassured that our hand washing, crowd control, healthy diets, and supplementation will get us through being exposed and fighting off whatever we need to.
The elementary school (my kids do not attend) reported that 45% of the students were absent this past Monday with “flu like symptoms” Yikes! I think that since our children are not in school it has really reduced our chances of getting something hard core!
Thanks for the totally balanced, completely sane post, Heather!
Thanks, Terri. Thimerosal-free flu vaccines are manufactured; whether doctors or clinics carry them, is another matter. I have had them in the past, but I usually had to wait for the doctor to order it.
We’re getting it. Our ped gives Thimerisol-free ‘flu vax’s (and vaxes the whole family) when available so I take that worry out of the equation. We always get the seasonal flu shot and will again this year as I don’t believe the ‘flu vaccine causes harm and we have 3/5 of us at high risk for complication from the ‘flu. About 10 years ago Tim got pneumonia and crashed so fast that I had to call 911 to get him help (I was just certified as an EMT that month and knew he needed help faster than I could get it for him myself!) and that really brought home how fast and how badly respiratory viruses can turn for people with prior airway issues.
I wouldn’t go out of my way to get the H1N1 vax except that I’m in a high risk category. While 1% of the population is pregnant at any given time, 6% of h1N1 deaths by the end of September were *otherwise healthy* pregnant women. I’ve read certain anti-vax sites saying it’s “only” a few people who die from H1N1 and that deaths happen and that’s just the way the ‘flu goes. I find that attitude disappointing. Yes, any one pregnant person’s chance of dying of H1N1 is low, but it’s there. I bet none of the women who died thought it could happen to them – and but for H1N1 they’d be here right now. The chances of dying from the vaccine are nil. Thus I think it would be stupid to go ahead and die from a vaccine preventable disease. Plus there’s way more risk than just dying. Being hospitalized is also devastating in so many ways. Since the immune suppression and reduced lung capacity that comes along with pregnancy ARE the factors that lead to a higher rate of death and hospitalization it’s not like you can say with 100% certainty that a certain pregnant population is at risk while another is not.
I have an acquaintance whose child has a birth defect due to his wife having the ‘flu while pregnant so I think it makes good sense on a lot of levels to prevent the ‘flu while pregnant. I have 2 kids in 2 different schools so avoiding crowds/exposure isn’t a real valid option this year, which makes the vaccines a good option for us. I’m not standing in line, freaking out, waiting to get it…but when it comes available I’ll meander on in when I have a minute and get vaxed.
But I really think it comes down to whether or not you believe that vaccines are harmful. I don’t.
A lot to think about.
For anyone who does get the H1N1 vaccine, you have to ask for the single dose syringe, which does not contain thimerisol. The Multidose vial does contain it. BUT you have to ask specifically for the one that doesn’t contain it.
We’ve never gotten flu shots before and I don’t understand why even the seasonal flu shot is SO hyped up this year.
Thanks for this balanced and emotion-free look at the issue. I also would feel more comfortable if there were more of a history with the new vaccine before giving it to children, and I think mercury-free vaccines should be a given.
It’s also interesting to research the (lack of) effectiveness of the regular flu vaccine over the years. Here are a few articles.
I don’t get myself, or my chid vaccinated purely for my own interests.
I get vaccinated, and I get BunBun vaccinated, because there are children out there who cannot be vaccinated. Not ‘oh that risk doesn’t apply to me because I’m so special’ or ‘I read once somewhere that something bad might happen and it’s better to risk the something bad from the disease’ – we’re talking massive allergies to eggs preventing vaccination. Highly immunocompromised people. People like my sister for whom the whooping cough vaccine was a real danger – she ended up getting whooping cough though, because enough people in our community decided that vaccines are bad/dangerous/unnecessary that an epidemic went through.
When I get a vaccine, or get one given to my child, it isn’t about us as people, it’s about our community. It’s about herd immunity and it’s about helping others. It’s about protecting those who cannot be immunised.
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There is a great article on Mothering.com from a Harvard Professor stating how H1N1 is not as severe as once suspected. I would post it here but it’s really late and I need to get to bed. It’s easy to find for anyone who wants to look it up though.
I think it’s funny that the posted “side effects” are the same as the flu. Well, of course. You are injecting the strain in to your system to grant you “immunity” from the flu you are trying to prevent. You will see flu like symptoms because you will have a mild case of this flu. If you work to build your immune system then you may come in to contact with H1N1 but your body will be able to handle it because it has enough “soldiers” (as my boys and I call them) to fight them. It’s when your “army” is depleted that it becomes a problem.
I wish that the media and health care providers would focus more on building up your defenses rather than how you will counter attack. If we did that then the severity of the dis-ease would be lessened.
Think about it, if the same amount of $ that is dumped in to vaxes would be poured in to research on how we can build our immunity, we would be better off in many ways.
Thanks for this great article. Agree with this I think it’s funny that the posted “side effects” are the same as the flu. Well, of course. You are injecting the strain in to your system to grant you “immunity” from the flu you are trying to prevent. You will see flu like symptoms because you will have a mild case of this flu. If you work to build your immune system then you may come in to contact with H1N1 but your body will be able to handle it because it has enough “soldiers” (as my boys and I call them) to fight them. It’s when your “army” is depleted that it becomes a problem.
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Great article. Well done!
Something to consider besides the amount of thimerisol is the ingredient Squalene. Squalene is the chemical that was in shots given to Gulf War Soldiers that lead to Gulf War Syndrome. There is ten times the amount of Squalene in an H1N1 shot than there was in those shots!
I agree that we just don’t allow our bodies a chance to do what they were built to do. Fight off infection. I recently had H1N1 complicated by asthma. While I did have to use an inhaler and take some prednisone, I did not take and will not take the H1N1 shot. To me, the risks are clearly there. This shot was fast tracked and the H1N1, I believe, has been played up to be more than it is.
There are some great articles out there to read.
https://drtenpenny.com/default.aspx
https://www.mail-archive.com/apfn@googlegroups.com/msg01441.html
And for any you mom’s with daughters or if you’re considering it yourself – another vaccnine touted as the be all end all of safety is Gardasil. To find out the truth, or to begin to, just go to youtube and type in Gardasil Injuries. What you find is jaw dropping.
Good health to all!
For those concerned about squaline, please read the following: https://childrenshospitalblog.org/thimerosal-squalene-and-guillain-barre-expert-answers-to-your-seasonal-and-h1n1-flu-questions/
There is a great deal of misinformation being fed to the masses. None of the H1N1 vaccines licensed for distribution in the U.S. contain squaline.
That said, I myself am skeptical about vaccinating our son with the inactivated shot based on having to have thimerisol given three times. I’m pretty sure his seasonal shot had it (because we didn’t know then to ask for the “preservative-free” variant) and the health department in our area says they will not be getting the preservative-free H1N1 shots.
Not sure what to do.